Nietzsche and Tolkien 3

Posted by Anti Citizen One on June 16th, 2007

Of Fëanor

Another example of aspiring to the Will to Power was Fëanor (an elf in The Silmarillion).

“in the pursuit of all [Fëanor's] purposes eager and steadfast. Few ever changed his courses by counsel, none by force. He became of all the Noldor, then or after, the most subtle in mind and the most skilled in hand.” “For Fëanor was driven by the fire of his own heart only, working ever swiftly and alone; and he asked the aid and sought the counsel of none that dwelt in Aman, great or small, save only and for a little while of Nerdanel the wise, his wife.” “For Fëanor was made the mightiest in all parts of body and mind, in valour, in endurance, in beauty, in understanding, in skill, in strength and in subtlety alike, of all the Children of Ilúvatar [God], and a bright flame was in him.”

Fëanor was the greatest mortal (oops) non-divine being that ever lived. Since his personality is part of his original “greatness” including his aspiration to the will to power, this is the main example of acceptance by Tolkien of the concept. The quote above hints there is a “bright flame” within him and his name means “spirit of fire”. Could this be some reflection of Eru’s “Flame Imperishable” actually in the world and in the hands of a mortal non-divine being? That would be very interesting indeed.

Unfortunately Fëanor is corrupted by his nemesis, Melkor. If we can find contrast between Melkor and Fëanor, we might identify Tolkien’s reservations regarding the Will to Power. Concerning their origins and the cause of their corruption, I can only think of one very Nietzschian idea. (Prepare to disagree strongly!) Melkor tried to surpass God (Eru) and God rebuked Melkor. Melkor was humiliated.

Then the Ainur were afraid, and they did not yet comprehend the words that were said to them; and Melkor was filled with shame, of which came secret anger. (AINULINDALË)

It is the fact that Eru claims the higher divine authority over Melkor that corrupts him.

Now in the case of Fëanor, he did live among the Valar without difficulty, because the Valar do not have authority over Fëanor.

“For which reason the Valar are to these kindreds rather their elders and their chieftains than their masters; and if ever in their dealings with Elves and Men the Ainur have endeavoured to force them when they would not be guided, seldom has this turned to good, howsoever good the intent.” (Of the Beginning of Days)

This quote is definitely in line with my argument (“Ainur have endeavoured to force them” .. “seldom has this turned to good”!! Remember any divine law with the threat of hell is “force”!). Melkor does claim authority over the world and his efforts alone corrupt Fëanor. “…in Angband Morgoth forged for himself a great crown of iron, and he called himself King of the World.” (Of the Flight of the Noldor)

So my interpretation, it is the interaction with higher divine authority (regardless if justified or not) that causes corruption of power. Nietzsche would be proud. :) Your response to this idea should be interesting…

What If We Are Already In The Second Music?!

I just had an original thought. Well, original to me at least. What if we are already in the second music of in Ainur?! Allow me to explain…

The first Music of the Ainur (who where the Valar and their helpers) was made at the command of God (Eru/Ilúvatar).

“In this Music the World was begun; for Ilúvatar [God] made visible the song of the Ainur,” “Therefore Ilúvatar [God] gave to their vision Being, and set it amid the Void, and the Secret Fire was sent to burn at the heart of the World; and it was called Eä [The World].”

In Tolkien’s mythology, we are still in a world that has been foreshadowed in the first Music of the Ainur. Incidentally, Melkor corrupted the first Music of the Ainur and therefore created evil in the world.

But Tolkien also foretells of a future second music. In this music, humans, elves and the Ainur work together to create a new world. Perhaps this is the Tolkien mythology version of heaven.

“a greater still shall be made before Ilúvatar by the choirs of the Ainur and the Children of Ilúvatar after the end of days. Then the themes of Ilúvatar shall be played aright, and take Being in the moment of their utterance, for all shall then understand fully his intent in their part, and each shall know the comprehension of each, and Ilúvatar shall give to their thoughts the secret fire, being well pleased.”

Now for my idea, what if we are in the second music? Perhaps we somehow forgot and assumed we are in the first music. We have been effectively the creative power “the secret fire” to create as we will. We are also on the same footing as the Ainur, who are effectively minor gods. The catch in this interpretation is God (Eru) said of the first music: “no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite”. Can any new theme be played, ever? Or is that the secret fire?

Anti Citizen One

Nietzsche and Tolkien 2: The Valar

Posted by Anti Citizen One on June 14th, 2007

Malfunctioned Will to Power

Tolkien often examines the use and abuse of power in his epic fantasy fiction. The stories are written with a subtly Catholic ethical backdrop. I agree with your posting, that Nietzsche’s world view is incompatible with Tolkien’s created world. I will argue that there are several characters that aspire to the will to power, but none achieve being a superman as described by Nietzsche. In fact most fail in this goal spectacularly – most of the villains fall into this category. I will assume the reader has at least seen the movie of LOTR but I will explain my many references to the prequel The Silmarillion.

If there is one rule in Tolkien and Catholicism, is it is you should not strive to surpass God (known as “Eru” in Tolkien’s world) – in their ethical systems it is disastrous. As you mentioned, Nietzsche asks “Must we not ourselves become gods?” In a quote worthy of Nietzsche, Sauron states:

“the Valar [angelic beings] have deceived you concerning him, putting forward the name of Eru [God], a phantom devised in the folly of their hearts, seeking to enchain Men in servitude to themselves. For they are the oracle of this Eru, which speaks only what they will.” Downfall of Númenor

Most people know that Sauron was “not a nice guy”. But this is not necessarily grounds to dismiss his argument. Nietzsche wrote:

“You highest men who have come within my ken! this is my doubt of you, and my secret laughter: I suspect you would call my Superman- a devil!” TSZ

I should stress that Sauron does probably not a superman for reasons I will discuss…

Melkor and Aulë

First a tiny bit of background or memory jog. The Silmarillion is set thousands of years before LOTR and mainly concerns the Valar (powerful angelic beings) and the Elves in their doomed war against Melkor (the devil). The Valar include Manwë (the chief Vala), Ulmo (lord of water), Aulë (the smith) and originally Melkor (before they kicked him out).

In fact Melkor’s name literally means “He who arises in Might”. His power was immense and in the beginning his will contended with Eru himself in the creation of the world. He is perhaps the archetype of reaching towards the superman but being corrupted.

“[Melkor] among the Ainur had been given the greatest gifts of power and knowledge, and he had a share in all the gifts of his brethren. He had gone often alone into the void places seeking the Imperishable Flame; for desire grew hot within him to bring into Being things of his own”…”But being alone he had begun to conceive thoughts of his own unlike those of his brethren.” AINULINDALË

“Both [Aulë and Melkor], also, desired to make things of their own that should be new and unthought of by others, and delighted in the praise of their skill. But Aulë remained faithful to Eru [God] and submitted all that he did to his will; and he did not envy the works of others, but sought and gave counsel.” VALAQUENTA

The Imperishable Flame is the power to create originality which is essentially the Will to Power. Eru has total control of the Imperishable Flame and therefore it is impossible to achieve full Will to Power in Tolkien.

Aulë is content to work within the limits that Eru has set for him (and when he breaks the limits, he is apologetic to Eru). In Tolkien, power can be a corrupting force and Melkor becomes totally corrupted in heart.

“Melkor spent his spirit in envy and hate, until at last he could make nothing save in mockery of the thought of others, and all their works he destroyed if he could.” Melkor “became a liar without shame”. VALAQUENTA

Nietzsche often warns against envy: “So bless me then, you tranquil eye that can behold even the greatest happiness without envy!” TSZ, also also against lies “To speak the truth and to shoot well with arrows, that is Persian virtue” (Ecce Homo).

In the mythology, no one can surpass Eru – not even Melkor. The Valar and helpers created the fate of the world in “The Music of the Ainur” and Eru speaks to Melkor saying:

“And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.’” AINULINDALË

This means no one in Tolkien’s world can surpass the will of God (Eru) and Will to Power is arguably destructive in this context.

Manwë and Zarathustra

As a side note, both Nietzsche and Tolkien admire nobility and associate that with eagles. Manwë is lord of the airs and he loves eagles.

“But of the airs and winds Manwë most had pondered, who is the noblest of the Ainur.” AINULINDALË

“Then it became yet stiller and more mysterious, and everything hearkened, even the ass, and Zarathustra’s noble animals, the eagle and the serpent,- likewise the cave of Zarathustra and the big cool moon, and the night itself.” TSZ

I will move on to Fëanor, Turin, and the Lord of the Rings (book and Sauron himself) in my next post.

Thus began Anti Citizen One’s down going. :)

Nietzsche and Tolkien: reviewing the Will to Power

Posted by El Sordo on June 14th, 2007

Prologue, Confession and Disclaimer

I thought I would offer this post as a part review/dialogue. On the one hand it reveiws an essay contained within the book The Lord Of The Rings And Philosophy, whilst on the other it enables me to post a dialogue on an area of philosophy that I know significantly little about. From an early stage in my philosophical education I had been warned away from the works of Friedrich Nietzsche, with the unexplained declaration that he was a ‘poisionous shit’. Ordinarily, like Jung before me (who recieved similar warnings), this dismissively critical generalisation of someones work would be sufficient to motivate me to scoure every bookshop possible for copies of his writings. However on this occasion I did not, and I cannot understate how strongly we were warned off him. Now of course one cannot be involved in Philosophy without encountering Nietzsche at some stage and thus I gained a very general and not particularly approving view of his philosophy and its implications. So I must confess that like many philosophers I simply either ignored him or dismissed him summarily, in the same fashion as I had been forewarned.

The chapter I am reviewing is entitled Uberhobbits: Tolkien, Nietzsche and the Will to Power. And I will present the review/dialogue under three headings; Comprehension (presenting the Nietzschean content), Comparison (presenting Tolkiens response to the Nietzschean ideal), and Critique (the only original work here, presenting my questions).

As I tell my students to do, I will attempt to leave my preconceptual baggage at the door. But having not read Nietzsche widely I will limit myself to using the texts selected in the essay, and the interpretations likewise presented by its author. Only the critique presents my view.

Comprehension: A very brief overview of Nietzsche

According to Nietzsche, life is all about supression of the weak by the strong.

Exploitation does not pertain to a corrupt of imperfect or primitive society: it pertains to the essence of the living thing as a fundamental organic function, it is a consequence of the intrinsic will to power which is precisely the will to life. FN, Beyond Good and Evil

At first glance the implicaions of this cause many moral philosophers to retch uncontrallably. But Nietzsche intervenes, let us consider the birds of prey who exploit (eat) lambs for their own purpose. The lambs dislike the birds, perhaps even regard them as evil. But does this make the birds morally defective? Are they evil, or are they not acting in accordance with their nature? And is it not the nature of strength to control, dominate and exploit?

To require of strength that it should not express itself as strength, that it should not be a desire to conquer, a desire to subdue, a desire to become master, a thirst for enemies and resistances and triumphs, is just as absurd as to require of weakness that it should express itself as strength. FN, On the Genealogy of Morals.

But what of the poor lambs, is not their conception of the ‘evil’ of the birds of prey, equally as valid as the birds of preys’ conception that they are acting in accordance with their nature?  Nietzsche answers:-

There are no moral phenomena at all, only a moral interpretation of phenomena. FN Beyond Good and Evil.

In other words both views are interpretations, differing perspectives of the same phenomenon. Neither has any binding significance, beyond the possibility that one may force its interpretation upon the other, the strong may dominate the weak.

Nietzsche also argues that God is dead, by which he means that the deity has not died, but that humans have reached the conclusion that the deity did not actually exist. That:-

belief in the Christian God has become unbelievable. FN, The Gay Science.

Nietzsches intent through this act of deicide is to awaken us to the realization that life is meaningless. God does not exist, humans are not divine creations, they are not designed for any specific purpose, they exist for no purpose.

We invented the concept of ‘purpose’ in reality purpose is lacking. FN, Twilight of the Idols.

We live in an alien world, devoid of meaning, but full of pointless suffering. Truth is ugly and:-

Honesty would bring disgust and suicide in its train. FN The Gay Science.

The search for a reasonable, good and beautiful truth, by which we may ground the meaning and purpose of our lives, is a search in vain. To cope with this fact and to avoid the inability to function caused by knowing the truth is to deceive ourselves. Art, Nietzsche proposes, is a means to veiling our eyes to the truth of the meaninglessness of life. Beauty surpasses truth, taste overrides reason.

What is decisive against Christianity is our tasre, no longer our reasons. FN, The Gay Science

Nietzsche offered the view of eternal recurrence in history as a justification for these views (although some believe he did not literally believe in eternal recurrence). The idea of eternal recurrence is to deny that history is linear and progressive, to disavow us of the idea that history is heading towards some sort of destination, or purposeful point. Furthermore though it provides us with a new guiding standard, instead of viewing ones actions with regards a conclusion of a cause and effect, thus rejecting heaven and hell, he proposes amor fati a love of fate.

that one wants nothing other than it is, not in the future, not in the past, not in all eternity. FN Ecce Homo.

In summary:- God is dead, good and evil are interpretations we assign to things and not derive from things. The world is ugly and full of suffering, life is meaningless, beauty helps us to cope with the lack of purpose but cannot change it. History is a series of monotonous repetitions, heading nowhere but back upon itself again and again.

So God is dead, all would seem downhill from thereon. But not so according to Nietzsche, it is a cause for celebration.

How shall we, the murderers of all murderers, console ourselves?…Must we not ourselves become gods simply to seem worthy of it? FN The Gay Science

What are we being told here. This, life is meaningless, get used to it, God is dead, all that was held true in the past is wrong, morality holds no grip over you anymore. You are like a painter with a blank canvas, embrace the meaninglessness of your lives and make for yourselves a life magnificent according to ones tastes.

As an aesthetic (or, perhaps, artistic?) phenomenon, existence is still endurable to us, and through art we are given eye and hand, and above all a good conscience, to enable us to make of ourselves such a phenomenon. FN The Gay Science.

Taste overthrows reason, it is the will to power, and whoever achieves such a thing is the new man, the overman, the superman, the Ubermensch.

Comparison: Tolkiens rejection of the Will to Power

Sauron with the One Ring, a Ring of Power, is on a quest to dominate. It is a gamble; for the destruction of the One Ring would lead to his destruction, so infused is it with his malevolent will and power. But who would or could challenge him? The very power contained in the Ring would corrupt and dominate those who used it.

Saurons quest to dominate reached its zenith in the One Ring.

it contained the powers of all the others, and controlled them, so that its wearer could see the thoughts of all those that used the lesser rings, could govern all that they did, and in the end could utterly enslave them. Letters p152

Is Sauron the Superman? Is his will to power the fulfilment of Nietzsches assertions about the death of God?

Sauron desired to be a God-King, and was held to this by his servants; if he had been victorious he would have demanded divine honour from all rational creatures and absolute temporal power over the whole world. Letters, pp.243-44

The Lord of the Rings is the chronicle of the great conflict that consumed Middle Earth, as a result of Sauron’s will to power, his desire to make for himself a life magnificent according to his own taste. And Tolkiens account of this conflict is bourne of great distaste and a simple and plain characterisation of good versus evil. The violence of Mordor and its Dark Lord compares unfavourably with the beauty of Iluvatar’s children fighting against them. The Ring, according to Tolkien symbolizes:

 the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies. Letters, p160.

The whole of Tolkiens tale seems to revolve around community and acts of personal sacrifice. Frodo, the Ring bearer, is accompanied on his task by Merry, Pippin and Sam. Even the faithless Boromir contributres to Frodo’s odious task. Sam in particular accompanies Frodo from the beginning to the end of the journey, and in the light of events wisely so, for the quest may never have come to fruition if Frodo had to make his own way.

Others too played their part. Fatty Bolger stays at Frodo’s house to maintain the impression that he is still there. Tom Bombadil rescues the hobbits, Merry and Pippin twice so. Nob, from the Prancing Pony, rescues Merry from the Nazgul. Bill the pony bears the hobbits burdens including Frodo from Bree to Moria. Glorfindels horse carries Frodo to the Ford. Gwaihir the Windlord. the Great Eagle, rescues Gandalf from Orthanc; Shadowfax provides the wizard with speed when he most needs it. Bilbo gives Frodo his sword Sting and Mithril shirt. Elrond heals Frodo’s wounds and establishes the Fellowship. The Galadrim provide shelter to the fellowship from the Orcs, in their sanctuary at Lothlorien, Galadriel provides gifts that they all eventually need.

The essay presents three in-depth accounts of the element of community and sacrifice in the LOTR. Particularly Gandalf’s sacrifice of his own life on the bridge at Khazad-dum. Frodo’s spares the life of Gollum and takes pity on him, ultimately relevent in the outcome of the quest to destroy the Ring. And the faithful Sam, who subordinates himself at all times to the good of the quest and the fellowship. It is a telling demonstration of his strength of character when he resists the temptation presented to him in a vision by the Ring of Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age.

The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command. Return of the King, p186.

Tolkiens portrait, opposite to the world view presented by Nietzsche, is one of community, humility, love, and sacrifice. Despite the individual flaws of its characters, the heroes of Middle Earth overcome their weaknesses not through power plays and the domination of others but through humility and self sacrifice. It is a view of the world where true power manifests itself through the subordination of ones own will to others.

The greatest examples of the action of the spirit and of reason, are in abnegation Letters, p246.

Critique
Tolkiens alternative world view is presented (interestingly enough) by means of artistry rather than argument, thus challenging Nietzsche on his own terms.

Similarly I find that my opposition to Nietzsche has always somewhat been originate in a gut-instinct. A sense of revulsion or a feeling that it just doesn’t seem right. In other words my rejection to the Nietzschean world view has always originated from my distaste, only then progressing to a reasoned opposition. My opposition to Nietzsche, once I go beyond simple distaste has to lie in ethics, but even then it must take of itself a logical positivist stance. My ethical objections are perhaps not simply because what Nietzsche proposes is evil, but because what Nietzsche proposes is wrong, or not to my taste.

Therefore I propose to ask two questions in my critique, that may open dialogue.

Firstly, ethical implications of the will to power, and the will to dominate. If the bird of prey is acting in accordance to its nature by attacking and killing a lamb, and is not committing an evil act. Is it not then by equal extension the same subordination to nature for me to kill an animal for my own designs? To eat, or to use as clothing etc. If so is there any demarcation between where I should stop in my quest for power? Am I not entitled, with my blank canvas to (if I have accumulated such power) eliminate my opponents by means of nuclear holocaust?

Furthermore in my quest for domination, shouldnt I choose to ignore (where it suits me) those taboos that have previously provided me with a moral restraint upon my actions, i.e. racism, sexism, homophobia and so on?

I am told that Nietzsche did not intend for his philosophy to be used in such a way, and that he specifically railed against uncultivated taste and technological tedium. But is it not also the case that he did not explicitly rule out the justification of brute force as a means to the will to power?

The LOTR presents an alternative to Nietzsche’s view using art as its medium, as opposed to reason, which seems to make the LOTR a particularly effective weapon against Nietzsche, when compared to other criticisms of him. If then reason is no longer a valid basis for ones actions, and good and bad are relative terms, and taste is the only guiding principle to be followed in our will to power, then by what authority does Nietzsche have the ‘right’ to tell us that martial or military action, that action by brute force, that uncultivated taste, in the quest for the will to power, is not the right way to go about doing things?

Douglas Wilson vs Christopher Hitchens

Posted by El Sordo on June 13th, 2007

The final part of a debate between theologian Wilson and atheist polemicist Hitchens.  This is Wilson speaking:

This relates to the second point, which concerns evolved morality and the past. When dealing with people whose moral judgments have differed from yours, do you regard them as “immoral” or as “less evolved?” The rhetoric of your book, your tone in these exchanges, and your recent dancing on the grave of the late Jerry Falwell would all seem to indicate the former. In your choice of words, the people you denounce are to be blamed. The word fulminations comes to mind. You write like a witty but acerbic tenth-century archbishop with a bad case of the gout. But this is truly an odd thing to do if “morality” is a simple derivative of evolution. Are you filled with fierce indignation that the koala bear hasn’t evolved ears that stick flat to the side of his head like they are supposed to? Are you wroth over the fact that clams don’t have legs yet? When you notice that the bears at the zoo continue to suck on their paws, do you stop to remonstrate with them?

Your notion of morality, and the evolution it rode in on, can only concern itself with what is. But morality as Christians understand it, and the kind you surreptitiously draw upon, is concerned with ought. David Hume showed us that we cannot successfully derive ought from is. Have you discovered the error in his reasoning? It is clear from how you defend your ideas of “morality” that you have not done so. You are a gifted writer, and you have a flair for polemical voltage. But strip it all away, and what do you have underneath? You believe yourself to live in a universe where there is no such thing as any fixed ought or ought not. But God has gifted you with a remarkable ability to denounce what ought not to be. And so, because you reject him, you have great sermons but no way of ever coming up with a text. When people start to notice the absence of texts, the absence of warrant, the absence of reasons, you adjust and compensate with rhetorical embellishment and empurpled prose. You are like the minister in the story who wrote in the margin of his notes, “Argument weak. Shout here.”

Sublimus Dei

Posted by El Sordo on June 13th, 2007

Whilst conducting research I came across this papal letter written by Pope Paul III in 1537.

In it he reiterates two particular doctrines (much maligned by non-catholics and secularists). (i) That salvation is achieved through the Church, and (ii) that Church is universal and that it is desireable that all the nations be converted to Catholicism.

In the second paragraph though, of this extraorinaraily short letter. He declares the Church’s opposition to slavery and racism. Although elaborated in ecclesistical language it still maintains its powers to this day.

 The enemy of the human race, who opposes all good deeds in order to bring men to destruction, beholding and envying this, invented a means never before heard of, by which he might hinder the preaching of God’s word of Salvation to the people: he inspired his satellites who, to please him, have not hesitated to publish abroad that the Indians of the West and the South, and other people of whom We have recent knowledge should be treated as dumb brutes created for our service…Desiring to provide ample remedy for these evils, We define and declare by these Our letters…that, notwithstanding whatever may have been or may be said to the contrary, the said Indians and all other people who may later be discovered by Christians, are by no means to be deprived of their liberty or the possession of their property, even though they be outside the faith of Jesus Christ; and that they may and should, freely and legitimately, enjoy their liberty and the possession of their property; nor should they be in any way enslaved; should the contrary happen, it shall be null and have no effect.

Pretty enlightened for a sometimes controversial Pontiff.

Which are you quiz

Posted by El Sordo on June 12th, 2007

Which Theologian are you?

Which Existentialist Philosopher are you?

There are other tests (on philosophy) but I thought these two the best and the most coherent. In the interests of faslifiability and Verification, and a gentle and begruding nod to induction, I took these tests a number of times and was consistent in my results.

I am Jurgen Moltmann (Liberation Theologian)

and

I am Soren Kierkegaard (Christian Existentialist)

and equally predictable (but nonetheless pleasing)

I am definately not Martin Luther (Reformation Theologian/Biblical Fundamentalist)

and

I am definately not Friedrich Nietzsche (Postmodern Atheist Existentialist).

Who are you?

B5 Part 4 – The Book of G’Kar

Posted by Anti Citizen One on June 12th, 2007

Prophethood

In mid 2262, G’Kar is away and someone “liberates” the only copy of his memoirs. On his return to B5, he is a best selling writer and cultural icon. “G’Kar intended his book to be published after his death.” This situation is reminiscent of Monty Python – “I am NOT the Messiah!” “Lord, I say you are the Messiah and I should know; I’ve followed a few!” (Life of Brian). G’Kar is forced to confront the responsibility of being a religious leader. That would certainly be a great burden. I could recommend the book Join Me by Danny Wallace; it contains good advise for any inexperienced religious leaders (e.g. don’t let the girlfriend find out you’re a messiah).

G’Kar “They want me to chose them another way. What if I show then the wrong way? What if they come to me not because of the lesson but because of the teacher? I worry, Ta’Lon, that my shadow may become greater than the message.”
Ta’Lon (half joking?) “If that happens, I give you my word that I will personally kill you.”
G’Kar “This is supposed to put my mind at ease?”

There are probably many philosophers’ reputations that are bigger than their contribution. This leads to arguments from authority which can be pretty repetitive. For example philosophy slowed to a crawl for hundreds of years after the influential Greek philosophers.

He is also burdened by followers who don’t go beyond the superficial interpretation of the text. I could give many, many (many) examples from history of this – admittedly this applies beyond religious texts too. This is dealt with in one of my favourite quotes on religion:

Follower: Most holy….
G’Kar: (interrupts) There is no most holy here. There is only me. What is it?
Follower: I understand what you are saying, but in the book of G’Kar it says that the Centauri cannot be trusted.
G’Kar: When was that written in the book?
Follower: In the beginning.
G’Kar: Exactly. Over time I learned, as you will learn.
Follower: The book of G’Kar is holy. If it was written under the direct inspiration of the universe itself, as everyone believes it to be, then the whole of it must be true. How can you go against it?
G’Kar drops his face to his hand and sighs.

And after G’Kar answers the question “What is God?” with a nuanced monologue, the follower asks the same question again:

Follower: What is truth? And what is God?
G’Kar: (resigned, incincere and wearily) Truth is… a river.
Follower: And what is God?
G’Kar: God is the mouth of the river.
The followers look impressed.

He sometimes despairs of being understood by his followers.
Nietzsche: “Posthumous persons – myself for example – will be more poorly understood over time, but better heard. Worse: we will never be understood – and thus our authority…”
“And He said to them, Do you not yet understand?” Jesus (Mark 8:21)

G’Kars Teachings

G’Kar said “Our thoughts form the universe, they always matter” perhaps similar to Wittgenstein’s “5.6 The limits of my language mean the limits of my world.” (Tractatus).

G’Kar was invited to write the Declaration of Principles for a new alliance. A draft version read:

“The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. … We agree to recognise this singular truth, and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another, because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one.”

Kind of sentimental but it’s a start! It recognizes altruism as the primary value for sentient life.

G’Kar “If I take a lamp and shine toward the wall, a bright spot will appear on the wall. The lamp is our search for truth, for understanding. Too often we assume the light on the wall is God, but the light is not the goal of the search, it is the result of the search.”

This is a bit like the start of the famous allegory of the cave but in his version, we are the source of the light. This is reflected in reality by how each god is imagined by the believer in their own image.

Departure

G’Kar decides his celebrity has become destructive especially when his government gives him a choice: come to Narn to rule or to let them rule in his name. G’Kar: “I believe there is a time for enlightenment and a time for things to get done. I have become a distraction for our people.”

He decides to escape the responsibility by leaving and traveling in deep space. G’Kar: “So I have decided to go away. I will return when I’ve found a way to destroy [G'Kar as an icon] while keeping the message intact.” This departure is his last appearance in the TV series.

Jesus did depart from his disciples and promised to return but the other circumstances could hardly be more different. Jesus passed on his authority (or perhaps it was assumed) by religious leaders to rule in his name.

There is an obvious parallel with Nietzsche’s creation Zarathustra: “I now go away alone, my disciples! You too now go away and be alone! Thus I want it.” “Now I bid you lose me and find yourselves; and only when you have all denied me will I return to you.”

I think that completes my overview of G’Kar! I expect the next posting will be on the Minbari.

Anti Citizen One

Wittgenstein and the Mystical

Posted by El Sordo on June 11th, 2007

There is a great deal to get through here, so I will try to make every point brief (tractatus style again). There are three topics; (i) Wittgenstein’s experience of religion, (ii) Wittgenstein’s rejection of Metaphysics, (iii) Wittgenstein’s defence of non-sense and the Mystical.

1.1 Wittgenstein was born in Vienna, 1889, the 8th child of Karl and Leopoldine.

1.11 Karl’s parents were Jewish, but converted to Protestantism, Leopoldines father was Jewish and her mother was Roman Catholic.

1.12 Ludwig Wittgenstein was baptised as a Roman Catholic, as were his siblings.

1.13 Upon his death Wittgenstein was buried according to the rites of the Catholic church.

1.14 There is no evidence that Wittgenstein practised Catholicism.

1.15 Wittgenstein wrote the Tractatus-Logico Philosophicus whilst fighting in the Austro-Hungarian army in World War I. Following the war, he gave away all his money (he was a millionaire by inheritance), considered becoming a monk, before designing and building a radically modernist house for his sister.

1.2 His favourite book (which he always carried with him) was The Gospel In Brief by Tolstoy. He often said how moved and impressed he was by the book.

1.3 With regards his lifestyle (especially at Cambridge) it seemed that he was intent of living something like a religious life.

1.4 He once commented regarding fellow Christians that although being a baptised Catholic he could not bring himself to believe the same things they did.

1.41 He rejected Metaphysics, but not all forms of religion.

1.42 Pre-World War I he was an atheist. His reading of Tolstoy saw him embrace a form of Christian existentialism.

1.43 He was influenced and referred often too, Augustine of Hippo, Fyodor Dostoevsky, Leo Tolstoy and Soren Kierkegaard (whom he called a ‘saint’).

1.44 By 1937 the form of his belief had become less Christian and more or less deist. He would have rejected the notion of Ignosticism, but others may have characterised him thus.

2.1 Analytical philosophy is concerned with language.

2.11 Specifically the misuse and misunderstanding of language.

2.12 Metaphysics was criticised as a misuse of language.

2.13 Analytical philosophy became a critique of religious language.

2.14 It is not concerned with the truth or falsity of a claim in religious language.

2.15 Religious language is impossible to understand.

2.16 Religious language is unintelligible, not because it is complex or difficult but because they are without and outside of sense.

2.17 Religious statements are not strictly statements at all.

2.2 Pigs eat corn, is true.

2.21 Pigs fly by flapping their ears, is false.

2.22 Pigs gorban tove, is neither true nor false, it is nonsense.

2.23 Religious statements take the form of pigs gorban tove, but sometimes less obviously so.

2.24 Pigs gorban tove is nonsensical on the face of it.

2.25 My feelings weigh 1.74 pounds, is less obviously nonsensical.

2.26 As is the statement: the inflation rate is bright yellow.

2.27 ‘God sees everything’, is less obviously nonsensical than pigs gorban tove.

2.3 If ‘God exists’, is nonsense, so also is ‘God does not exist’, and ‘I do not know if God exists’.

2.4 When explicit thought is applied to the statement ‘God sees everything’ its nonsense becomes more obvious.

2.41 Seeing is a function, it involves persons seeing from a perspective viewpoint. All of which is incompatible with the concept of God as a non-physical being.

2.42 To say that something sees, and something is non-physical, appears to be a contradiction.

2.5 We can talk of a metaphor or a simile.

2.51 We talk of a CCTV camera ‘looking at you’, or of ‘Big Brother watching you’.

2.52 But as Wittgenstein states “A simile must be a simile for something. And if I can describe a fact by means of a simile I must also be able to drop the simile and to describe the facts without it.” (Lecture on Ethics 1929)

2.53 A CCTV camera does not literally ‘see’ but functions in a way which is certain respects is analogous to what human beings do, when they see.

2.54 One can drop the simile ‘the CCTV sees’ by explaining the function of photosensitive cells, impulses transmitted through wires, image projections onto a computer.

2.55 One can describe the actions of a CCTV camera by means of metaphor or fact.

2.56 One cannot factually describe what God does when he ‘sees’.

2.57 It is seemingly impossible to translate alleged metaphysical facts into non-metaphorical descriptions.

2.6 Religion is awash with imagery.

2.61 It seems that religion gains a certain vitality from its use of suggestive, metaphorical pictures.

2.62 Man through the ages, as witnessed by their burial customs, seems concerned with the concept of the ‘other world’, a world beyond this world.

2.63 Vikings (for example) laid their warrior dead within a long-ship, surrounded by provisions such as food, drink, clothes, weapons. The metaphor is about the journey from this world to the ‘other world’.

2.64 The metaphor is characterising the ‘other world’ in picture ideas similar to the ‘real world’.

2.65 Xenophanes (570 BCE) describes religion thus. “The Ethiopians make their gods black and snub-nosed; the Thracians say theirs have blue eyes and red hair. And if oxen and horses or lions had hands, and could paint and produce works of art as human beings do, horses would paint the forms of gods like horses, and oxen like oxen, and make them in the image of their several kinds.”

2.66 Metaphors in connection with Metaphysics are misleading.

2.67 The ‘other world’ is conceived of as a world of the spirit, a non-physical world.

2.68 It would be impossible for the Viking burial ship to literally sail from this world to another world, from the physical to the non-physical, as though it were crossing the sea from one shore to another.

2.69 Even Vikings must have been aware of this non-literal fact as they burnt the boat, that no actual physical journey was occurring.

2.610 The difference between the physical world and the spiritual world is an ontological one. It is a completely different type of being. Moreso than say a rock and a mathematical equation.

2.611 The Vikings can invoke the image of a journey in order to attempt to describe what they believe happens to the dead in the after-life, but the metaphorical image can only be maintained in the absence of critical scrutiny.

2.612 Once we ask questions concerning the nature of the ‘other world’, all descriptions concerning the ‘other world’ become meaningless and confusing.

2.613 This does not render the ‘other-world’ non-existent, it renders it as unintelligible as trying to imagine seeing without eyes, walking without legs, describing red to a blind man and music to someone who is deaf.

2.614 The unthinkable cannot be thought.

2.615 The questions for example between theists and atheists concerning the existence of a transcendent reality have not been solved but have been dissolved.

2.616 Statements such as “God exists”, “God does not exist”, “I do not know if God exists” cannot even be formulated into a question, they are but empty word shells. “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent“.

3.1 A rejection of the Metaphysical is not a rejection of religion.

3.2 “There is the inexpressible. It shows itself; it is the mystical” (Tractatus 6.522).

3.3 Wittgenstein in published conversation with Friedrich Waismann: “Is talking essential to religion? I can easily imagine a religion in which there are no doctrines, in which, therefore, no talking occurs. Obviously, the essence of religion cannot have anything to do with the fact that talking occurs, or rather: if talking occurs, the this is itself part of the religious act, and not a theory. And it does not matter, therefore, whether such words are true, false, or nonsensical.”

3.31 Religion is not a theory, it is a practice, an activity, a way of life.

3.32 Religion is not based on a theory, on a belief or a system of beliefs, but emanates from pre-rational and non-rational attitudes and dispositions.

3.33 People have the desire to worship.

3.34 The already existent desire is justified by stories that explain that desire.

3.35 Subsequent religious doctrines of beliefs are based on what people do, or what people want to do.

3.36 Religious practise:- rituals, prayers, fasts, meditations, are that beneath which one cannot go; religious practises and experiences are more primal than explanations and theological justifications.

3.37 Tolstoy has Jesus say “You do not believe me, because you do not follow me.”

3.38 Wittgenstein rejects that you must first have belief in order to act upon belief. In the beginning is not the word, but the deed.

3.39 Much human activity occurs independent of reason and language.

3.310 Wittgenstein paraphrases Nietszche by saying that humans are primarily physical organisms with largely non-rational needs and expressions, and only secondarily and even then in extraordinary circumstances are rational beings who follow their reasoning.

3.311 Despite the rejection of Metaphysics, the primacy of practise gives potential meaningfulness to religion.

3.312 Religious statements are not the foundations upon which religious life is based.

3.313 Religious statements can be understood as being like a ritual act within religion itself. Thereby rendering any attempts at a cognitive understanding of it as a fundamental misunderstanding of their nature.

3.314 A religious utterance is worthless as an attempt to describe transcendent concepts in a factual way.

3.315 A religious utterance is effective as an expression of feeling, a prompter of ecstatic experience, as an inspiring tool for social communion.

3.316 A religious act is not a theological speculation.

3.317 A religious act is not a metaphysical belief.

3.318 A religious act is an experience, the content of that experience is that which Wittgenstein calls “the mystical”.

3.4 Wittgenstein did not reject Logical Positivism for back-door metaphysics.

3.41 Logical positivism is concerned exclusively with those areas of life where scientific enquiry and rational calculation is most appropriate and relevant.

3.42 Wittgenstein was interested in those areas of life that are the domain of the artist, visionary and mystic.

3.43 Myths, poems, visions, symphonies, rituals of “primitive cultures” are neither true nor false, rational or irrational, but expressions of a different kind altogether.

3.5 The “mystical” is an openness to the world that is different from that of science and analytical enquiry.

3.6 From a letter by Wittgenstein to his publisher Ludwig von Ficker: “Once I planned to add something to the preface (of the Tractatus) which now is not in it. I wanted to write that my work consists of two parts: of the part which is actually there, and the other part which I have not written. And it is the second part which is the most important one.

The Moon is Made of Cheese

Posted by El Sordo on June 11th, 2007

What, the moon is not made of cheese?! :-)
On a serious note though, this is Wittgenstein’s deeper point beyond simple linguistics. There are (in a narrow definition) two types of language, sense and nonsense.
Sense language corresponds with sense-data, including specifically empirical forms of knowledge (I guess that covers your genre).
Sense language is that which we also know as rational and logical language. In other words it observes and follows extremely strict rules of verification and falsifiability and logical objectivity. Just think about the analytic/synthetic truth split.
All bachelors are unmarried (always true)/all bachelors are happy (could be but not necessarily true).
Non-Sense language (to give it it’s correct hyphenation) is types of language that do not necessarily conform to the strict rules of sense-language.
But although it denies the possibility that non-sense can be analytically true (as far as we know by sense-language rules) it does not exclude the possibility that non-sense can be synthetically true. As an example (Pascals simple formula) God may or may not exist (is true as stated). However I am not suggesting that non-sense is nonsensical language, or that it is simply conceptual risk-taking. For as the later Wittgenstein states: words are tools and their ‘full’ meaning (which goes beyond naming picture-ideas) is found within the context (language game) that it is used.
As a simple example: “NO”
Can be a command, a situationally emotive response, a simple inference of a negative, and so on.
A complex example, “God is love” is (in certain language games) not a description (as in ‘the entity that we call God is an embodiment/expression/synonym et al of loving forms of behaviour’) but is a rule for how the word “God” is to be used. (Specific here of course to the Christian language game as opposed to the Taliban Islamic language game). God (as is understood by the Christian theistic tradition is synonymous with the ideal of agape the type of sacrificial love characterised in the maxim ‘turn the other cheek’).

Incidentally a psycholinguistic game that probably brings us closer together is Wittgensteins later ideal that words do not always have a meaning of themselves, but it is the context in which they are spoken that applies a reason to them. Words are tools. Words are subject to the rules of the language games that are being played.

As a cheese-obsessed mouse with a precocious talent for analytical philosophy and for expressing my observations of the world around me, is it not conceivably possible that in my mousey language games the picture-idea represented by the word “cheese” is factually synonymous with the material structure of the moon (that you human non-cheese-obsessed creatures have given an alternative word-symbol for the picture-idea of the moon)?

The Moon is Made of Granite

Posted by Anti Citizen One on June 10th, 2007

As an initial response to your thoughts on language, there was an interest conversation in the play Insignificance by Terry Johnson. I heard it on Radio 4 on Saturday. Not that I have a grasp on later Wittgenstein, it might be a comment on separation of language and empiricism. (It’s a funny play: one scene has special relativity explained in 5 minutes by Marilyn Monroe.)

The Actress (Marilyn Monroe): So I try to know things, is that so wrong?
The Professor (Albert Einstein): If I told you the moon is made of cheese, would you belive me?
A: No.
P: If I told you it was made of granite?
A: Maybe.
P: If I told you I knew for certain?
A: I believe you.
P: So now you know the moon is made of granite.
A: Yes.
P: But it isn’t.
A: I only said I knew because you said you knew.
P: Precisely. But I was wrong. Knowledge is not truth. It is merely agreement. You agree with me, we agree with someone else, we all have knowledge. But we get no closer to the truth of the moon. You cannot understand by making definitions, only by turning over the possibilities; it’s called thinking. I know something I know is there are men, there are such men “I know of greed”, “I know of hate”, “I know of evil” but I do not, I will not understand these things. If I say I know, I stop thinking. But so long as I think, I come to understand, I might approach some truth.
A: This is the best conversation I ever had.

Anti Citizen One


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